I've been eyeballing a small rotary
table for my mill for some time. Unfortunately my toy budget has some
firm limits, so I could not justify getting one. Until recently, that
is, until I came across a 4” rotary table for under $60 on eBay. This exact rotary table is also sold by Grizzly (H5685), Shop Fox and others.
Surprisingly, there is very little information on this table. I've
found several forum posts, but that's about it. One thing that was
clear is that this is by no means a precision table. Never the less,
I though it should be good for making rounded corners etc. After
having spent some time using the table, I'll try to do a short
review/teardown.
To be honest, having purchased a number
of cheap import tools for Harbor Freight and eBay, I was prepared for
some “finishing work”. At the very least I was expecting a
thorough scrubbing to remove the shipping grease. Surprisingly the
table came in bone-dry, without any signs of lubrication. Since that
was a bit unusual, I decided to take it apart and make sure that the
mechanism was lubricated. Well, it wasn't – the inside was covered
in swarf and abrasive grit from the grinding. After a compete
disassembly and lubrication the table was ready to use. As a
side-effect, I now knew exactly how it's built.
Construction
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The construction is pretty basic, or
even to some degree crude. The round work surface rests on the top of
the casting and is attached to the base through a ball bearing via M7
screw. Unlike the more expensive precision tables that have gear
teeth cut along the perimeter, this model has a small brass gear
pressed onto the “spindle”.
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The bad news is that the work shaft has a major design flaw – the collar and the handle are attached to the shaft using two set screws (one each). Most rotary tables I've seen before had a nut at the end of the shaft, used to preload trust bearing or bushings. This table, though, has no such provision (neither does it have any trust bearings or bushings). While I was able to take out most of the backlash by pressing the collar in and tightening the set screw, but literally a few seconds into a cut the collar started slipping, resulting in a lot of chatter.
On the opposite side of the casting there is a knurled brass screw that is used as a gib of sorts, pressing against a shoulder cut on the underside of the table. Mine, unfortunately, tends to bind, since the shoulder isn't cut concentric. Since I'm on the subject of concentricity, I should probably mention that the table itself isn't concentric either. This makes locating the table on the mill a bit challenging.
Finally, another drawback is that the
table doesn't have the usual morse taper in the center. Instead, the
M7 thread used by the screw at the bottom is cut all the way through.
This means that attaching a chuck requires a backplate. This isn't a
big deal, though.
Potential Improvements
This table can't be made into a
precision rotary table, but there are a few things that can be made a
bit more usable. There are a few small improvements that I am
planning to make:
- Replace the stock sleeve with a concentric one. This shouldn't be difficult to make and should improve the gear mech adjustment.
- Drill and thread a hole at the end of the worm shaft and add a preload screw. This should keep backlash in check.
- Add trust bushings and/or bearings to the worm shaft. In conjunction with the preload screw this should reduce the backlash and hopefully remove the chatter.
- Add a brass bushing between the table and the top of the casting. I don't know how useful this will end up being, but I get a bit nervous when I see cast iron on cast iron friction.
Conclusion
This little table is by no means a
“precision instrument”. It has some shortcomings that can't be
overcome even with the mods I suggested above:
- The resolution is fairly low, at 10 degrees per handle rotation and 1/6 of a degree marks on the collar.
- There is no morse taper in the center, making chuck attachment more tedious
- There is no way to attach a standard dividing plate
- The collar does not rotate on the shaft
Newer the less, I still think this
table was a good buy for under $60. Granted, as is this table is
barely usable, but a few simple improvements should make it useful
for a lot of projects. After all, if all you want to do is to make
rounded corners of cut a retaining ring grove, spending over $200
for a ultra-high precision Phase II table makes little sense.
Man, this table total piece of $%@& and it costs 160 dollars, not 60. Go to littlemachineshop.com, pay little more and get a good table. I don't know how you can say its a good buy when you need to fix everything and it's still not precision. This is not a good review!
ReplyDeleteAlejandro
Alejandro,
DeleteI just did a quick eBay search and found several of those for $57. The are not labeled as "Shop Fox" but from the picture look identical to the one I have.
The upgrades I'm talking about would cost very little money and wouldn't take that much time. To be honest, I have a mini machine shop in my garage because I like making swarf (metal chips), so this is just another project I get to enjoy. Of course this table, even after I "fix" it, won't come close to a nice precision table I can get from LMS (for $259, I think), but it's plenty good for what I need it for.
Regards
Yuriy
Thanks for the review Yuriy. I saw this on EBay but will look elsewhere.
DeleteToo bad it has so many deficiencies. If it were possible it actually would be a fun project to buy this table just for the castings and make a good table.
Like you say most of the uses I see are for rounding corners, so cheaper is better.
Tom
Actually, cast iron to cast iron friction is not a problem because once they used cast iron piston rings inside cast iron cilinder. drill an oil hole in the table with a press fitting for lubing in between the housing and table.
ReplyDeleteI fail to understand why the Indians and Chinese will not put an extra couple of hours labor in to finish the products. They must have enough Western tools to see what is expected. They put people in space and build nuclear bombs and reliable AKs - it shouldn't be too difficult!
ReplyDeleteYou get what you pay for. If you want to pay for time, spend the extra $$. Don't be a keyboard cunt and criticize us for your incompetence, and don't expect free lunches. You can get premium tools using the same castings but better finishes from the exact same factories if you pay for our time. Transactions 101.
DeleteGood review Yuri, keep it up. I'm probably going to order one soon.
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